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		<title>Comment on Definition of Member Engagement for Associations by David</title>
		<link>http://highcontext.com/2009/12/28/definition-of-member-engagement-for-associations/#comment-638</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dean, I think we&#039;re on the same page. This post is from 09, I actually wrote a book published by ASAE last year building on this in more detail. 

The Forrester model you adapted is complimentary to the work I did in Maximum Engagement. Two ways to look at it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, I think we&#8217;re on the same page. This post is from 09, I actually wrote a book published by ASAE last year building on this in more detail. </p>
<p>The Forrester model you adapted is complimentary to the work I did in Maximum Engagement. Two ways to look at it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Definition of Member Engagement for Associations by Dean West</title>
		<link>http://highcontext.com/2009/12/28/definition-of-member-engagement-for-associations/#comment-637</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dean West]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave

With respect, I think your definition of engagement is too subjective and limiting and doesn&#039;t sufficiently capture the complexity of engagement.

Associations need a much more robust definition of engagement. Forrester Research produced an outstanding analysis of how engagement is defined in 2007 and has continued to build on it. They posit a 4 step process (with Association Laboratory&#039;s modification to associations) that is particularly applicable summarized below.

    Involvement – the “touches” between a person and the organization

This component of engagement is the basic approach of a person to the association. Common measurements would be web page views or requests for information. At this point there is no “back and forth” or purchase transaction.

    Interaction – the contributions or back and forth between the person and the organization

Interactions represent the common “transactions” between a member and the association. Interactions would include becoming a member, purchasing a book or registering for a conference. Interactions go both ways though, so this area also includes volunteering or writing an article for the newsletter. Interaction is not only when the person requests and receives something from the association but also begins to contribute to the association.

    Intimacy – the sentiment (likes or dislikes) of the person regarding the organization

Intimacy represents how the person “feels” about the association. Potential measures might include satisfaction or net promoter scores or “likes” on the association’s Facebook. Intimacy is indicative of a person’s emotional commitment to the association.

    Influence – the likelihood and strength of a person’s promotion or advocacy for the organization

 The influence stage is when the member (or other stakeholder) begins to actively promote the association, for example, through a member-get-a-member campaign.

When taken together, these four components represent a model of engagement that can be measured, tracked and used to guide business strategy. The leadership imperative is to define engagement for your own association and develop specific strategies to lead people through these stages as they desire.

We discuss this issue in more detail on our blog here http://associationlaboratory.com/education/blogs/march12.asp  and presented on how to apply it at the AVECTRA Users and Developers Conference. The Forrester Report can be identified here as well as a great blog that continues the discussion. http://blogs.forrester.com/sean_corcoran/11-04-12-revisiting_the_meaning_of_engagement

I think we need to start advising associations that &quot;engagement&quot; is a much more complex and thus useful thing to identify and measure. It is also not a mysterious thing, a great deal of time and energy have gone into understanding this concept, and we don&#039;t need to reinvent the wheel - we need to simply attach it to our car.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave</p>
<p>With respect, I think your definition of engagement is too subjective and limiting and doesn&#8217;t sufficiently capture the complexity of engagement.</p>
<p>Associations need a much more robust definition of engagement. Forrester Research produced an outstanding analysis of how engagement is defined in 2007 and has continued to build on it. They posit a 4 step process (with Association Laboratory&#8217;s modification to associations) that is particularly applicable summarized below.</p>
<p>    Involvement – the “touches” between a person and the organization</p>
<p>This component of engagement is the basic approach of a person to the association. Common measurements would be web page views or requests for information. At this point there is no “back and forth” or purchase transaction.</p>
<p>    Interaction – the contributions or back and forth between the person and the organization</p>
<p>Interactions represent the common “transactions” between a member and the association. Interactions would include becoming a member, purchasing a book or registering for a conference. Interactions go both ways though, so this area also includes volunteering or writing an article for the newsletter. Interaction is not only when the person requests and receives something from the association but also begins to contribute to the association.</p>
<p>    Intimacy – the sentiment (likes or dislikes) of the person regarding the organization</p>
<p>Intimacy represents how the person “feels” about the association. Potential measures might include satisfaction or net promoter scores or “likes” on the association’s Facebook. Intimacy is indicative of a person’s emotional commitment to the association.</p>
<p>    Influence – the likelihood and strength of a person’s promotion or advocacy for the organization</p>
<p> The influence stage is when the member (or other stakeholder) begins to actively promote the association, for example, through a member-get-a-member campaign.</p>
<p>When taken together, these four components represent a model of engagement that can be measured, tracked and used to guide business strategy. The leadership imperative is to define engagement for your own association and develop specific strategies to lead people through these stages as they desire.</p>
<p>We discuss this issue in more detail on our blog here <a href="http://associationlaboratory.com/education/blogs/march12.asp" rel="nofollow">http://associationlaboratory.com/education/blogs/march12.asp</a>  and presented on how to apply it at the AVECTRA Users and Developers Conference. The Forrester Report can be identified here as well as a great blog that continues the discussion. <a href="http://blogs.forrester.com/sean_corcoran/11-04-12-revisiting_the_meaning_of_engagement" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.forrester.com/sean_corcoran/11-04-12-revisiting_the_meaning_of_engagement</a></p>
<p>I think we need to start advising associations that &#8220;engagement&#8221; is a much more complex and thus useful thing to identify and measure. It is also not a mysterious thing, a great deal of time and energy have gone into understanding this concept, and we don&#8217;t need to reinvent the wheel &#8211; we need to simply attach it to our car.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Association Cycle by Scott Meske, CAE</title>
		<link>http://highcontext.com/2011/06/29/the-association-cycle/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Meske, CAE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No question David the &#039;cycle&#039; is double-edged. The certainty and stability of the association cycle (or business cycle for that matter), can easily lead to complacency and apathy. The association leader&#039;s challenge is to maintain the stability of the annual cycle without losing the passion to grow. Thanks for the post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No question David the &#8216;cycle&#8217; is double-edged. The certainty and stability of the association cycle (or business cycle for that matter), can easily lead to complacency and apathy. The association leader&#8217;s challenge is to maintain the stability of the annual cycle without losing the passion to grow. Thanks for the post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on New York Times and Paid Content by Quick Clicks: Elite Eight &#124; Philanthropy</title>
		<link>http://highcontext.com/2011/03/18/new-york-times-and-paid-content/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Quick Clicks: Elite Eight &#124; Philanthropy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Have You Killed Your Sacred Zombie Cow Today? by You Must Remove the Head&#8230; &#171; manicrabbit</title>
		<link>http://highcontext.com/2010/05/04/have-you-killed-your-sacred-zombie-cow-today/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[You Must Remove the Head&#8230; &#171; manicrabbit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Mar 2011 06:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Old Members Are The Future! by David M. Patt, CAE</title>
		<link>http://highcontext.com/2010/10/15/old-members-are-the-future/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David M. Patt, CAE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 03:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We should talk more about life career stage than about age.  People are more likely to get involved in associations when they become more secure in their careers and when those careers take center stage in their lives.  That&#039;s why Boards are often older than the average member.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should talk more about life career stage than about age.  People are more likely to get involved in associations when they become more secure in their careers and when those careers take center stage in their lives.  That&#8217;s why Boards are often older than the average member.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Old Members Are The Future! by David Gammel</title>
		<link>http://highcontext.com/2010/10/15/old-members-are-the-future/#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Gammel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair comment and is what lead me to discuss if the 50-60 year old members of today were all that engaged with associations 30 years ago. My personal experience and belief is that life and career stage drive decisions much more than the generational cohort into which you are born. We&#039;re not robots programmed &lt;em&gt;en masse&lt;/em&gt; at birth, acting the same forever.

We&#039;re in agreement on your second paragraph.

The short-term trend looks to be later retirement ages at the same time that older populations are growing. That is a tremendous opportunity for associations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair comment and is what lead me to discuss if the 50-60 year old members of today were all that engaged with associations 30 years ago. My personal experience and belief is that life and career stage drive decisions much more than the generational cohort into which you are born. We&#8217;re not robots programmed <em>en masse</em> at birth, acting the same forever.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re in agreement on your second paragraph.</p>
<p>The short-term trend looks to be later retirement ages at the same time that older populations are growing. That is a tremendous opportunity for associations.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Old Members Are The Future! by Scott Briscoe</title>
		<link>http://highcontext.com/2010/10/15/old-members-are-the-future/#comment-538</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Briscoe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmmm...

When you cite your stat about 25% in 2050 -- isn&#039;t that growing population the younger generation of right now that Deirdre was talking about needing to bring in? Where do your 50- and 60-somethings of tomorrow come from if not today&#039;s 20- and 30-somethings?

But that&#039;s not what I wanted to pick on though. Mostly, I just think too much is made of generational differences. Know what you are as an organization and what your strengths are -- then make them stronger. If that happens to coincide with developing products/services for early-career folks or any other particular market segment, great, do it, but do it amazingly -- that&#039;s the part that really matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>When you cite your stat about 25% in 2050 &#8212; isn&#8217;t that growing population the younger generation of right now that Deirdre was talking about needing to bring in? Where do your 50- and 60-somethings of tomorrow come from if not today&#8217;s 20- and 30-somethings?</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not what I wanted to pick on though. Mostly, I just think too much is made of generational differences. Know what you are as an organization and what your strengths are &#8212; then make them stronger. If that happens to coincide with developing products/services for early-career folks or any other particular market segment, great, do it, but do it amazingly &#8212; that&#8217;s the part that really matters.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Link of the Week: Why an RFP May Guarantee You Don&#039;t See the Best of the Best by David Gammel</title>
		<link>http://highcontext.com/2010/04/07/link-of-the-week-why-an-rfp-may-guarantee-you-dont-see-the-best-of-the-best/#comment-557</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Gammel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 12:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re arguing both sides of the issue while promoting your RFP site, David!

Chasing bad RFPs in the hope you&#039;re one of the few crazy enough to bid on it is insane and a sign of poor sales talent.

I do agree that if you already have a strong relationship with the issuer or can otherwise short circuit or improve the process, go for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re arguing both sides of the issue while promoting your RFP site, David!</p>
<p>Chasing bad RFPs in the hope you&#8217;re one of the few crazy enough to bid on it is insane and a sign of poor sales talent.</p>
<p>I do agree that if you already have a strong relationship with the issuer or can otherwise short circuit or improve the process, go for it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Link of the Week: Why an RFP May Guarantee You Don&#039;t See the Best of the Best by David Kutcher</title>
		<link>http://highcontext.com/2010/04/07/link-of-the-week-why-an-rfp-may-guarantee-you-dont-see-the-best-of-the-best/#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Kutcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hardly the exception, and I can easily name at least a dozen other instances, that was just a fairly recent and high profile example. As the owner of the RFP Database, I follow up with each issuer of a RFP to find out how the site performed for them. Did it get them more respondents and better proposals? Almost unanimously yes. And I hear story after story about how most previous RFPs had received very few proposals and the organization was often left choosing the only one that fit the criteria, not the best one to fit the criteria.

One of my other favorite stories is regarding my town of Northampton MA that had space they wanted to develop in the center of town. They issued a RFP and only received 2 proposals, one from a hotel developer (who was going to pay $1 for the space) and one from an office building developer (who was going to pay a whole lot more). The hotel developer won... but then the locals got upset that they didn&#039;t have enough options and that the city didn&#039;t negotiate the best deal.

I&#039;m in no way saying that you should chase every RFP (as my previous link stated, not all are worth a proposal), but what I am saying is that you shouldn&#039;t simply throw out a RFP because it&#039;s written like crap. How&#039;s that saying go? If you&#039;re not the leader of the pack the view from behind never changes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hardly the exception, and I can easily name at least a dozen other instances, that was just a fairly recent and high profile example. As the owner of the RFP Database, I follow up with each issuer of a RFP to find out how the site performed for them. Did it get them more respondents and better proposals? Almost unanimously yes. And I hear story after story about how most previous RFPs had received very few proposals and the organization was often left choosing the only one that fit the criteria, not the best one to fit the criteria.</p>
<p>One of my other favorite stories is regarding my town of Northampton MA that had space they wanted to develop in the center of town. They issued a RFP and only received 2 proposals, one from a hotel developer (who was going to pay $1 for the space) and one from an office building developer (who was going to pay a whole lot more). The hotel developer won&#8230; but then the locals got upset that they didn&#8217;t have enough options and that the city didn&#8217;t negotiate the best deal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in no way saying that you should chase every RFP (as my previous link stated, not all are worth a proposal), but what I am saying is that you shouldn&#8217;t simply throw out a RFP because it&#8217;s written like crap. How&#8217;s that saying go? If you&#8217;re not the leader of the pack the view from behind never changes?</p>
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